Campaign to stop mosque in Boston: The Islamic Society of Boston drops defamation lawsuit against opponents of mosque, construction to proceed
Posted on June 4 2007 by Cecilie Surasky under Faith-based.Interfaith relations are finally looking up in Boston after the announcement of a temporary cease in hostilities between the Islamic Society of Boston and the city of Boston, and groups and individuals that have sought to stop them from building a mosque.
Boston-area Jewish and Muslim leaders sighed in relief yesterday at the resolution of a lengthy legal dispute over the planned construction of a mosque in Roxbury, saying the development cleared the way for renewed local dialogue between adherents of the two faiths.
It’s been almost 5 years since Boston mayor Thomas Menino and Massachusetts Congressman Michael Capuano attended the groundbreaking for what was slated to become the largest Islamic Cultural Center in New England. On that day, Mayor Menino hopefully announced:
Boston is now – and has always been – a City of vibrant faith communities. The ISB Cultural Center builds on that tradition – and provides a new context for religious and cultural exchange. By creating a space for inter-faith dialog, this Center will bring both the Muslim community and the community at large closer together.
But in marked contrast to city and state leaders’ enthusiasm about the project, a group that included some Boston residents, well-known right wing Israel advocacy group the David Project, and self-styled terrorism expert Steve Emerson, reacted with tremendous alarm and waged a full scale campaign to stop construction of the mosque.
Christian Science Monitor religion reporter Jane Lampman wrote:
It’s a microcosm of the suspicions about Islam that have played out across America since 9/11.
After the city of Boston conveyed a parcel of land to the ISB, articles appeared in the Boston Herald in 2003 linking society leaders to Islamic extremists. The ISB denied the story, responding in detail to what it saw as inflammatory distortions. “When you place a picture of Osama bin Laden next to a picture of our mosque, that is completely misrepresentative of who we are,” says Salma Kazmi, assistant project director.
Boston’s Fox TV station followed with broadcasts on the charges, and two local organizations - the David Project, a pro-Israel group, and Citizens for Peace and Tolerance (CPT) - have continued to publicize them and press for public hearings.
CPT says Boston could become a “potential radical Islamic center.” The ISB counters that media and local groups, with help from terrorism analyst Steven Emerson, have conspired to halt construction and “incite public sentiment against area Muslims.”
In addition to the media campaign, which was based on information fed by Steve Emerson to Boston Herald reporter Jonathan Wells (who later went to Fox-TV and produced a similar set of stories), the group recruited a local resident James Policastro to sue Boston and the ISB for selling land at a reduced rate to the builders of the mosque. (The superior court judge ruled that the lawsuit brought against the Islamic Society of Boston, the Boston Redevelopment Authority and the Roxbury Community College was without merit and dismissed the case.)
After construction of the mosque stalled and donations trickled to a halt because of the negative publicity, the Islamic Society of Boston decided to fight back with a lawsuit against 16 defendants including Steve Emerson, the David Project, The Boston Herald and Fox 25-TV for “defamation and an unlawful civil conspiracy to stop the construction of the mosque in Roxbury.”
Last week, the ISB dropped the lawsuit. The Associate Press reported:
Two sides in a legal dispute about the construction of a Boston mosque agreed to drop legal actions against each other, a move that supporters of the mosque say will allow construction to move forward.
The decision comes three months after a Suffolk Superior Court judge dismissed a lawsuit by Boston resident James Policastro claiming it was unconstitutional for the city of Boston to sell land at a discount price to developers of an Islamic center. The judge ruled Policastro had no standing to bring the suit.
Policastro agreed to drop future appeals after the Islamic Society of Boston agreed to drop a defamation lawsuit against opponents and several news media outlets, including the Boston Herald and TV station FOX 25, which reported on the sale. The defendants in the Islamic Society lawsuit also agreed not to pursue legal fees from the society.
Bilal Kaleem, executive director of the Boston chapter of the Muslim American Society, said the settlement would allow the Islamic Society to finish the mosque, which he said is 70% complete. He said the settlement would also help repair relations with other religious groups.
“This was never about obtaining monetary damages, but defending the basic constitutional and civic right of building a place of worship,” he said.
Unfortunately, this does not mark the end of the litigious battle between the Islamic Society of Boston, and the David Project
Critics of the mosque also claimed victory and said they would continue to seek information about the project.
The David Project, a nonprofit group, said it would pursue a lawsuit against the Boston Redevelopment Authority seeking documents about the sale.
“We were determined from the beginning to act the way citizens should, by asking questions about this matter and by refusing to be intimidated into staying silent,” said Charles Jacobs, president and founder of the David Project. “We intend to continue as we have before.”
What this case is really about: going after Muslims as part of the “war on terror”
(The specific charges and counter-charges are too numerous to go into here, but you can read the David Project’s version of events, with media links, here, and some of the ISB fact sheets responding to the charges here and here.)
Jewish Voice for Peace, the group that sponsors this blog, was one of 3 Jewish groups (including the Boston Tikkun Community and Tekiah), in addition to other Protestant, Catholic and Muslim groups, which filed amicus briefs in support of the ISB lawsuit.
These are battles – in the press, in the courts, and in local community settings – that we can expect to occur more and more in this era of war and intolerance. From one perspective, this controversy is about muzzling – each side vociferously claims the other is attacking its First Amendment rights.
However, one could easily argue that what many Muslims and Arabs face transcends garden-variety muzzling and involves outright criminalization. In a post 9-11 world, it certainly makes sense for sensitivities, fears and surveillance to be heightened.
But those in the US who pursue a strategy of treating all Muslims as potential terrorists are doomed to achieve the same miserable results that the US has achieved in foreign policy through a parallel approach. Rather than supporting moderate Muslims, these groups, much like those who have cheered on misplaced Israeli support for a brutal occupation, play into the hands of extremists by demonizing and criminalizing all Muslims and/or Arabs.
Few people more than Steve Emerson better embody this approach. He has waged a very public and lucrative campaign against what he calls Muslim “quote-civil rights groups,” like the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which he claims are actually all “jihadist.” In his world-view, any Muslim group that claims to be moderate is a front that must be unmasked and prosecuted. For that reason, to some, Steve Emerson, like Daniel Pipes, is a hero. To others, he is selling hate and prejudice of the worst kind. Lost in the hyperbole is the line between important law enforcement, and outright demonization of an entire group.
Whether or not one supports the Islamic Society of Boston’s lawsuit, and many groups preferred instead a path of mediation, one thing is certain: as revealed in the discovery process, the David Project’s fishing expedition for ways to block the mosque in Boston crossed a line from citizen advocacy to profoundly shameful efforts at preventing a group from practicing their religion.
In playing the self-appointed role of Department of Pre-Crime, and unable to secure any evidence of legal substance pertaining to terrorism, they resorted instead to a publicity smear campaign as well as a lawsuit on a tangential issue. And they claim they are not done. For a Jewish group to do this to another religious group is almost inconceivable
In fact, other Jewish groups have not been impressed. The Boston Globe reported
During the legal standoff, many local Jewish groups opposed the David Project’s stance, revealing fissures within the Jewish community itself.
“The people involved in the lawsuit did not represent the Jewish community,” said Rabbi Moshe Waldoks of Temple Beth Zion in Brookline. “The David Project is more conservative than a lot of people in the Jewish community.”
Waldoks said he had been quietly meeting with Islamic leaders even during the course of the lawsuit in an effort to keep the post-Sept. 11 dialogue alive. He said that local rabbis and imams had several lively discussions about faith and culture.
According to the legal chronology, after a gentleman named Bill Sapers’ various unsuccessful efforts to stop the mosque, now well underway, he sought the help of Steve Emerson.
As the defendants portray him, Emerson is an award-winning investigative journalist and leading authority on terrorism and Islamic extremists groups in America. According to plaintiffs, he is nothing more than a paid polemicist who promotes his anti-Muslim agenda by disseminating poorly researched and outright false information about Islamic groups to media representatives for money.
Sapers asked Emerson for assistance in collecting information about members or former members of the ISB. Emerson and his organization, the defendant Investigative Project, responded by providing Sapers with a report Emerson prepared in the summer of 2002 which asserted, among other things, that plaintiff Kandil had ties to a ‘terrorist supporting infrastructure in the U.S.’ Over the next few months, Emerson put together more material about ISB
members. Plaintiffs allege that this material contained false and defamatory statements about them.
Sapers took the information he obtained from Emerson and got in touch with Boston Herald reporter Jonathan Wells. Over the next few months, Sapers and Emerson were in frequent contact with Wells. Wells in turn used the material he received from Sapers and Emerson to write a series of stories about the ISB and the Project, the first of which appeared in the Boston Herald on October 28, 2003. These newspaper reports, which asserted that the ISB was directly
connected to and funded by radical terrorist organizations, lie at the heart of the plaintiffs’ defamation claim. As to Sapers’ and Emerson’s role in those published reports, the plaintiffs allege that they served as anonymous sources for Wells and knowingly gave him and other reporters false information about the plaintiffs, including information that the ISB funded the terrorist groups of Hamas and Hezbollah, and that the plaintiff Kandil was connected to terrorist training camps and Osama bin Laden.
The right to free speech or the right to practice one’s religion? Why refuse mediation?
Both the ISB and the defendants each felt the case pitted one First Amendment right against another:
The plaintiffs — the ISB, its board-of-directors chair Yousef Abou-Allaban and board-of-trustees chair Osama Kandil — contend that the defendants conspired to deny them the right to practice their religion by falsely linking them to terror and undermining their efforts to construct a $22 million mosque and cultural center in Roxbury.
The defendants — including two media outlets, terrorism analyst Steven Emerson, and officials of The David Project and Citizens for Peace and Tolerance — argue that the plaintiffs have engaged in an effort to quash free speech by using intimidation to prevent people from questioning whether the ISB is linked to Islamic terrorism.
The defendants would have a more compelling case for their argument about the quashing of free speech had they said yes just once to numerous efforts at mediation. But offers, including one made right before the suit was filed, were soundly and repeatedly rejected by the David Project and others.
As one Boston based group (unrelated to JVP) Jews Support the Mosque wrote here:
Following attempts at mediation, the presidents of Hebrew College and Andover Newton Theological School proposed a settlement to the ISB and the David Project. The organizations were asked to terminate lawsuits, publicly condemn terrorism, affirm the right of all communities to build houses of worship, and work together to create an interfaith center.5 The ISB agreed to halt the lawsuit against the David Project, but the David Project refused to respond to the proposal.6 The ISB has also accepted a more recent proposal to suspend all litigation in favor of mediation. Once again, the David Project has not responded.7
Another Boston-based Jewish group, the venerable Workmen’s Circle held out hope for mediation when they published a petition, publicly supported by the ISB, that implored the fighting parties to “engage in global, multi-party mediation, to be conducted by a professional mediator, with no pre-conditions.” The Workmen’s Circle’s petition continues, calling out the David Project and other defendants for refusing mediation, and citing the damage this refusal has caused for Boston’s faith communities:
……..The ISB and its related plaintiffs have stated their willingness to sit at the mediation table and try for peace. The other parties have not. And while some discussion amongst the parties may have resulted since then, professional mediation is, by far, the most likely road to a final and prompt resolution of these intractable disputes. It is a resolution our community — Jewish, Muslim, and all others — sorely needs and deserves.
Of course there is a fundamental and sacred right to free speech, but there is no right to libel. In fact, Steve Emerson, who once sued a former investigative reporter for The Associated Press, the media outlet the Weekly Planet, and its senior editor John Sugg for $11 million in damages for an expose in a publication that Emerson claimed “maliciously and repeatedly published false and defamatory utterances” in an “ongoing campaign to undermine Emerson’s credibility and damage his professional and personal reputation,” would presumably be the first person to agree. (The United States District Court for the District of Columbia threw out the case.)
Had the ISB’s lawsuit been groundless and a case of muzzling, as the defendants have charged, presumably the judge would have thrown it out when the defendants filed for dismissal. Instead, the judge found grounds for such a case.
Who are the players?
Finally, it’s worth understanding a bit about the key players in this story to understand the broader context and how they tend to work.
The David Project is run by Charles Jacobs, a brilliant promoter and supporter of Israeli expansionism who requires a separate lengthy post just to describe his various endeavors, many of which “support” right wing Israeli policies through demonizing Muslims and Arabs. (This interesting piece by Muzzlewatch blogger Dr. Andrew Schamess or this investigative piece on Jacobs are interesting places to start.)
He is, among other things, the co-founder of CAMERA, a right wing Israel media watchdog group with an enemies list that includes everyone from the New York Times and the Washington Post to Amnesty International and National Public Radio:
NPR has had the unfortunate distinction of emerging as one of CAMERA’s favored targets. In CAMERA’s hometown of Boston, CAMERA and the Boston Israel Action Committee have succeeded in costing local NPR affiliate station WBUR 90.9 FM between one and two million dollars in sponsorship funds, according to WBUR spokesperson Mary Stohn.
[CAMERA associate director ] Safian explained that in addition to calling on individual donors to divest from the network, the group has concentrated on targeting NPR’s underwriters, many of which he said contribute $50,000 to $100,000 at a time to the network.
As we’ve written before, the David Project is best known for its documentary, “Columbia Unbecoming”, a film that painted Columbia University as a center of anti-Israeli scholarship and student intimidation, but which was thoroughly deconstructed by New York Jewish Week–a number of students featured in the film “had not even studied under the professors who were being accused.” (Watch an Australian television documentary about what happened here, or read the transcript here which includes an interview with the Jewish Week reporter who covered the story)
As to Steve Emerson, whether or not you know the name, you’re probably familiar with his work. After the Oklahoma City bombing, it was Steve Emerson who insinuated on national TV that Middle Easterners had bombed the federal office building.
Emerson has been called “poison” by The New Yorker’s top investigative reporter Seymour Hersh – a Pulitzer prize winner who knows good journalism. (Go here to hear Hersh commenting last week on the fighting in northern Lebanon). But many consider him a prophet for predicting the attacks of 9-11.
Efforts by people and groups like Emerson and the David Project to collapse everything from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Muslim civil rights groups to al Qaeda and 9-11 into one big war on terrorism have been, to say the least, a colossal failure. Instead of making the world a safer place, they have made it profoundly less safe, for all of us.
The mainstreaming of hate of Muslims and Arabs should alarm every concerned citizen, regardless of faith, race or ethnicity. One day, we will all look back on this period with the same shame we now feel about the internment of Japanese during WWII.
–Written with assistance from Sarah Anne Minkin and Sara Norman
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June 4th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Excellent piece, Cecilie. The victims of Zionism are not just the Palestinians. The biggest crime of Zionism is the promotion of its racist assumptions all around the globe. It’s not just the land grab, but the hatred they spread in the attempt to justify the theft.
Ever notice how all these “terrorism experts” like Emerson, Evan Kohlmann, Rita Katz all turn out to have ties to Yigal Carmon. Coincidence?
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1443
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060529fa
June 4th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
I wonder if Jacobs,&/or Emerson & the David Project, were behind the scene several months ago; when commercial theaters in 3 American cities (including Chicago) for a week showed a slickly produced propaganda piece (which I think was called
“What Americans Don’t Know About Islam”)?
June 5th, 2007 at 2:12 am
Funny you should mention Carmon while going on about the global evils of Zionism, Dara. Is this an accurate visual representation of what you meant?
http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/1781.htm
June 5th, 2007 at 9:35 am
So basically, JVP admits that it supported a lawsuit against individuals for nothing more than that they engaged in the political process to oppose a sweetheart and secret deal over the use of public land. And it justifies it because, of course, some of the people on the other side are vocally pro-Israel.
This type of tactic is used all the time. I have seen it usually in the context of land developers who sue citizens, non-profits, and other advocates for opposing a developer’s request to demolish a historic landmark, to receive a variance allowing them to thwart zoning laws, or to receive subsidies or tax abatements. A call to your city councilperson, a meeting with other interested civic advocates, a letter writing campaign to the paper: all of a sudden these actions, at the very heart of a free and open society, are transformed into a “conspiracy” to deprive an entity of their civil rights. I have seen this effect literally allow developers to destroy neighborhoods. And the after affects are just as devastating, as city officials and community groups are reluctant to speak on a later issue for fear of a lawsuit.
In this case, JVP tries to paint this as a case of “conflicting” First Amendment rights, because one of the parties wanted to build a $22 million dollar mosque and study center. This is a frivolous argument. Free speech does not lose its freedom because one of the parties is claiming that it is wrapped in the cloak of religion.
If there are religious rights at stake, then that would be properly addressed to the government officials that ultimately approve or disapprove of the project. If the Islamic Society of Boston wants to claim that they have a first amendment right to acquire land at below market rate to build a $22 million mosque (ironic because ISB claimed that they were short on funds, which is why they needed the discount on the land), and to do so without going through transparent approval processes, let them make that argument that the First Amendment permits it.
One could make counter arguments that the First Amendment does not require such preferential treatment, and in fact PROHIBITS such a deal, because it amounts to an establishment of religion.
ISB, however, chose not to focus on the merits of such arguments. Rather, they engaged in what could only be called a bullying attack on those that dared speak out against it.
And shockingly (or not so shockingly), JVP supports these muzzling tactics. All the more appalling because JVP has appointed itself as the guardian of “open and honest debate.” Most observers recognize that the people who claim that “they can’t speak out” about issues pertaining to Israel are greatly exaggerating their case, but even seasoned veterans of this disguised McCarthy tactic have to be shocked at JVP’s hypocrisy. Shame on you.
June 5th, 2007 at 10:01 am
$22 million?
Wow, are they building a stadium?
June 5th, 2007 at 11:02 am
Dara, that New Yorker link doesnt work. can you post the text?
June 5th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
Sorry about that link–
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/05/29/060529fa_fact
“Private Jihad: How Rita Katz Got Into the Spying Business”
“Her [Rita Katz’s] employer was the Investigative Project, run by Steven Emerson, a former reporter with an interest in terror networks. Emerson became widely known in the aftermath of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, when, appearing as an expert on CBS News, he theorized that the attack was the work of Islamic extremists. It turned out that Timothy McVeigh was responsible.”
(It’s also interesting that both SITE and MEMRI are hosted by the same web firm.)
June 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
for the legions of zionist on this board….the dual citizenship crowd that hides in america while they preach about how wonderful zionism is….the u.s will not pull on the lions tail for your nation of israhell…let ehud and bibi and the rest of the zionist criminals do it themselves.
TEHRAN, Iran -
Iran’s nuclear program cannot be stopped, and any Western attempt to force a halt to uranium enrichment would be like playing “with the lion’s tail,” President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday.
June 5th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Joshua, please!
“So basically, JVP admits that it supported a lawsuit against individuals for nothing more than that they engaged in the political process to oppose a sweetheart and secret deal over the use of public land. And it justifies it because, of course, some of the people on the other side are vocally pro-Israel.”
Would the David Project, et al, have opposed the deal if the Catholics were building a Center of some sort? Would there be suggestions of terrorist sympathies tossed about if the Catholics were buying the land at discount? Of course not!
June 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
In the past few years, the Vilna Shul on Beacon Hill, the Boston Holocaust Memorial and the Solomon Schechter Day School have all received funding from Boston City or Massachusetts State.
Some Jewish racists don’t like the idea that Muslim Americans get the same benefits of US citizenship as Jewish Americans. In that case maybe patriotic Americans should think about the denaturalization of Jewish Americans that are more loyal to the State of Israel than they are to fundamental US principles.
And BTW free speech is okay, but scare-mongering to prevent US citizens from exercizing their fundamental Constitutional rights is not.
The ADL would be the first to file law suits if an organization with as large a soap box as the David Project were publicizing the attempt of the David Project, the JCRC, the ADL, the AJCommittee and some Jewish billionaires to subvert the US Constitution and undermine American democracy.
June 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
I don’t recall any members of the board of directors of other religious nonprofits having been quoted as follows: one trustee (Walid Fitaihi) referred to Jews as “rapists of the worshippers of Allah” and “murderers of prophets” and another (Sheik Yusef al-Qaradawi ) openly advocated suicide bombings and the killing of Jews. Their words, not mine.
Yeah, it’s probably fair to say that if the trustees of other religious groups had been saying things like that, then Jewish community groups would have also been involved.
By the way, if you want to see “mainstreaming of hate”, go check out “Palestine Awareness Weeks” at UC Irvine and many other campuses.
June 5th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
Imagine if you will that instead of writing critical articles and letters, Alan Dershowitz decided to file a defamation lawsuit against Norman Finkelstein. Why the wails would reverberate from Boston to San Francisco, and new entries would appear on Muzzlewatch hourly condemning the use of the courts to stifle debate on the Middle East.
If the classical definition of censorship is the use of government power to crush free expression, then there has only been one example of such behavior discussed on these boards since Muzzlewatch was launched, and that is the ISB lawsuit against not just The David Project and Steve Emerson, but local media outlets and individual Muslim, Jewish and Christian activist, a defamation lawsuit designed to cow individuals from looking too closely and saying too much.
It’s remarkable that simultaneous with joining a muzzling lawsuit, JVP also launched a Web site (this one) dedicated to “proving” how its opinions are the ones shouted off the stage. Might this be a case of a guilty conscience? Or is JVP trying to circumscribe debate whereby it is free to do anything it likes to trample on the rights of its critics, while simultaneously demanding that any criticism of its own organization cease, lest the critics be accused of censorship.
I’ve stated earlier that I take JVP/Muzzlewatch at its word that members truly believe themselves to be a voice of peace. Yet as this sorry incident demonstrates, faith in your own virtue has given you license to take any action, honorable or ruthless, to fulfill your goals, all in the name of “peace.” Even now when ISB has dropped its lawsuit (not in the name of interfaith reconciliation, as you describe, but because the legal discovery process was revealing the accuracy of accusations made against the organization before the lawyers were called in), there seems to be no room for reflection, not even a sense of irony about suing your political enemies into silence while accusing them of censorship.
With the entry of Joachim Martillo (a.k.a. Juan Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami) into this debate, calling for Jews who disagree with the party line to be deported, we seem to have reached the predictable end of the line for Muzzlewatch. People here have asked me why I have been taking part in this debate, and my response was that I was trying to see if any insight can be gained by peering into the minds of those trying to sell such a demonstrably false thesis (that criticism of Israel – howled from the rooftops at every university, with hundreds of organizations dedicated to its defamation in every city in the world, is somehow stifled). And now that your organization has seen fit to finally respond to many questions about their involvement in the Boston lawsuit, not with reflection but with an attack against your political foes wrapped in a convoluted argument that your defamation lawsuit was on behalf of First Amendment rights, I now have my answer. You are just another political organization dedicated to your victory and your opponents defeat, nothing more, nothing less. Your self-identification as “voices of peace” simply gives you permission to take any action in pursuit of your goals, even if such action makes war more, not less, likely.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
This was a very balanced article, thank you. There are a couple omissions/errors though. That “gentleman” Bill Sapers is a director of the Combined Jewish Philanthropies. However, he did not spearhead the campaign. He was an enthusiastic participant but the actual driving force behind this anti-mosque campaign was Steve Cohen, a real estate investor from New York. So he has no loyalty to our city or any respect for the Rainbow Coalition who spearheaded the mosque effort on behalf of the African American community (who went to the Arabs for financial assistance to build the mosque). You can find out many more details including get links to original court evidence (emails from the David Project) at my blog:
karinfriedemann.blogspot.com
June 5th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Regarding the merit of the argument about the land being sold below cost, the judge threw out the argument as without merit. The City of Boston by law has the right to sell the land to whomever they want at any price they want.
And, you have to be very careful about pro-Israel news organizations’ translation of Arabic quotes. They are usually false.
Walid Fitaihi proved in court that the quote was mistranslated.
In this country, you are allowed to build a church regardless of your personal opinions about Jews. Look at Jerry Falwell. So even if he hates Israel, as do a lot of Americans, he still has the right to build a mosque.
The bottom line behind this lawsuit is that slumlords want to destroy the BRA and to destroy the ability of the City of Boston to defend us citizens from being exploited by shady real estate agents. Steve Cohen is probably just pretending to be in love with Israel to get all this PR support from the David Project but the advantage to getting the property is obviously financial.
Bulldozing mosques, whether in the Holy Land or in Boston is a crime against Art.
June 5th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
“Bulldozing mosques, whether in the Holy Land or in Boston is a crime against Art.”
what do you call bombing synagogues in sderot?
June 5th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Racist Eastern Europeans stole most of Palestine from the native population in 1947-8, and murderous genocidal Zionist thieves and interlopers have been trying to complete the job of genocide ever since.
Until the Zionist population stops its ongoing crimes and makes full restitution for its outrages of the last 60 years and more, it really has no right to expect to live in peace and security.
Maybe Jewish racists believe that Jews have the right to plunder and kill non-Jews with impunity, but the rest of the human race subscribes to no such idea.
June 5th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
By the way, one of the links in Cecilie’s piece for an investigative background piece on Charles Jacobs doesn’t work. I think this is what she wanted–
http://www.iviews.com/articles/printarticles.asp?ref=IV9912-742&p=1
SUDAN ‘ANTI-SLAVERY’ CAMPAIGN IS OUTGROWTH OF PRO-ISRAEL LOBBY
June 5th, 2007 at 6:01 pm
Just a remark on Zionist mistranslation of Arabic,
http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/05/what-sanabel-said.html
discusses a MEMRI rendering of Arabic dialogue into English.
June 5th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Holy flashbacks Batman! This must be the same Joachim Martiillo who had this to say about the Third World back in the good old days of Usenet:
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami wrote:
“The vast majority of the nations in the UN are uncivilized and barely out of the stone age with tyrannical rulers who if they are of relatively high quality (a very rare situation) may one day aspire to be scum. Only someone who is completely brain-dead could possibly think the representatives of these stupid countries (which should be dismantled forthwith and returned to colonial rule by their Western superiors) are in some way indicative of something like a major world opinion.”
I’m sorry Joachim, what was that lecture you were giving us about “racism”? Just asking.
Jon
PS - Is your wife, Karin Friedemann, still working to, in her words “guard against the Palestine movement being represented primarily by homosexuals and feminists.”??? Perhaps the other denizens of Muzzlewatch might want to comment on whether or not homosexuality is, as your wife suggests, the greatest threat to the Palestinian movement.
June 5th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
presumably Joachim Martillo’s remarks are moderated so that they don’t violate JVP’s own guidelines that state “Racism and bigotry cannot be tolerated, whether in the U.S. or abroad, whether against Arabs or against Jews.” presumably, you have also decided that his remarks don’t qualify as “racism and bigotry”. I don’t question his right to free speech; after all, even those who fly the flags of Hezbollah and Hamas have that right (as JVP members know well from standing with them at rallies). However, it’s interesting to see whether there are any lines at all that one can cross (when speaking out against those who support Israel) without being recognized by JVP as the racist and the bigot that he obviously is.
June 5th, 2007 at 10:09 pm
btw, since this is somehow on the topic of “educational institutions”, I (and others, I’m sure) are eagerly awaiting JVP’s upcoming defense of the British boycott proposal against Israeli universities. Somehow there will be much intellectual gyration to explain that this actually isn’t “muzzling” of an opposing viewpoint, but rather will allow much freer expression of anti-Zionist sentiment now that universities in the UK won’t be corrupted by that pernicious Israeli influence. Remember, though– if you want to support a boycott, you’d better start adhering to it on your own–of course, if any of you have Parkinson’s, I’m sure you’ll be happy to boycott rasagaline (developed at the Technion); actually, you’d better boycott everything made by Johnson and Johnson, since they have plans to develop and R&D partnership with Hebrew University. Better stop using that cellphone and the computer with the Pentium MMX chips as well–yep, Israeli R&D again.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:48 am
Off topic: nice new map at the Financial Times shows the current state of the West Bank–
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/728a69d4-12b1-11dc-a475-000b5df10621,dwp_uuid=fc3334c0-2f7a-11da-8b51-00000e2511c8,print=yes.html
June 6th, 2007 at 10:10 am
From a review of The Changing Agenda of Israeli Sociology, Theory, Ideology and Identity by Uri Ram.
Even though this relatively short book (207 pages) is quite lucid in comparison with sociological papers, the text is probably tough reading for the non-sociologist. The first chapters that discuss the initially dominant functional school of sociology are probably the hardest, but they contain useful information. In particular, the discussion supports the contention that Israeli academia does not constitute a system of higher learning in any real sense but plays the role of a system of higher propaganda. The material in these chapters provides support for the boycott of Israeli academics because they are mostly not scholars but serve Zionist aggression and racism on the intellectual front.
See
http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/06/changing-agenda-of-israeli-sociology.html
for more useful information.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:14 am
Demanding the dismantlement of the State of Israel and the abolition of Zionism is no more racism than was advocating war against the Confederacy and the abolition of slavery.
It is an intellectually dishonest Zionist debater’s trick to claim, suggest or imply otherwise.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:36 am
re 22,
even if it is true that 40% of the west bank is inaccessible to palestinians, that’s still a lot better than the 0% of the arabs lands that are now accessible to jews.
the real ethnic cleansing happened in the arab countries, where almost all jews were expelled.
in israel, there are a million arab citizens, and the west bank will be another yet arab country when they give up their goal of destroying israel.
the real ethnic cleansing happened to jews in the arab lands, where they had been living for thousands of years. the palestinian population in the west bank has done nothing but go up. you can ignore that fact, but you can’t refute it.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:39 am
But Joachim, didn’t you once tell everyone on Usenet that (and I quote):
“As far as I am concerned the only crimes which the West committed was decolonization and refraining from the eradication of Arab/Islamic culture.”
Can you explain to us why you should now be considered the arbiter of who is a racist, just because you’ve switched the object of your hatred and genocidal fantasies from Arabs to Jews?
June 6th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Spoofing of authorship of material has been an Internet pastime since I first became involved in the development of Arpanet technology in the late 70s and early 80s.
Jon Haber obviously does not want to engage in a discussion of the issues but chooses to make irrelevant attacks.
I was once sympathetic to Zionism. Then I worked in the Palestinian Occupied territories, learned what Zionism was in fact, and then went back to the primary ideological texts.
Zionism is racist because it presupposes that the historical or national rights of Jews to Palestine are superior to the human rights of the native population. Zionism is thus a textbook form of Eastern European voelkisch racism.
Zionism is racist because it privileges a settler colonial population over the native population. Zionism is thus also a textbook form of colonialist imperialist racism.
The racism of Zionism is a matter of dictionary definition and standard usage. No one needs to arbitrate any more than one would need to arbitrate whether US Southern slavery was racist.
Where did colonialist imperialist and Eastern European voelkisch racism intersect? In the Russian Empire. From where did most of the primary Zionist ideologists come? The Russian Empire. Big surprise.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
I’m sorry Joachim, are you saying that you didn’t write the quotes I found in the UseNet archive (still available for all to see via Google)? That’s funny, since the last time we had an exchange on this matter, you claimed full authorship but said your earlier anti-Arab bigotry was a thing of the past. So which is it: were you lying then, or are you lying now?
If it’s the latter, then your former “sympathy to Zionism” seems to have consisted of little more than the desire to inflict genocide on the Arabs and return to the 19th century age of imperialism when nations of darker skinned people were ruled by what you call their “superiors.” With all due respect, I could live without that form of sympathy then, just as I expect JVP can live without your equivalent “sympany” with their cause today.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
It took decades of Zionist murders, assaults, attacks, subversion, incitement, lies for racist Eastern Europeans to get Jewish Arabs expelled from their homelands.
While Arab governments can be faulted for aspects of the destruction of Jewish Arab communities, the lion’s share of the guilt lies with fanatic racist Eastern European Ashkenazim that engineered the demise of those communities as part of the program of materializing the negation of the Diaspora (hagshamat shlilat hagalut — a phrase that propagandistically confuses galut with tfutzah).
June 6th, 2007 at 12:55 pm
I am simply not going to debate everything to debate everything that I may have or may not have written over the last 30 years.
The issue now is the fanatic racism of a large part of the Ashkenazi American community that manifests itself in defamation of Muslim Americans, in subversion of the US Constitution, in manipulation of the US government into undertaking military aggression against Muslim countries, and in corrupting the US political system to support the criminal genocidal State of Israel to the detriment of US interests.
The attack on the ISB was the least of the clear and present danger that subversive racist genocidal ethnic Ashkenazi Americans represent to the USA.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
Its rather interesting to see what Muzzlewatch is attracting now. Birds of a feather.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
for all you trolls, get a life, Israel right or wrongers, actively paid agents of mainstream American Jewish or Israeli groups, get over yourself, this is a site with a specific point of view, overtly stated, you are free to comment to your hearts content, provided it is done with some measure of dignity and speaking to the argument, but all the efforts to discredit this site based on causistic, scholastic argumentation that somehow it is internally inconsistant (based on the assumptions of the poster, of course) are useless. Muzzlewatch will not go away or be embarrassed by those who clearly have there own axe to grind. If you want to engage in an actual, principled discussion and not continually and crudely attempt to cloak existential attacks against the site in pseudo sophisticated reasoning, thats one thing, but always needing to not only question a particular post or comment, but always seek to undercut the very reason for the existence of muzzlewatch is laughable given all the “pro Israel” sites that populate the net. My question to the critics is why all the effort? Muzzlewatch is a new effort, could it be that it has something to do with attempting to silence all Jewish opposition to the myth of a monolithic Jewish support for all things Israel. And PLEASE, the idea that there is a great deal of ferment within Israel regarding the political situation is ridiculous. There is a little bit of criticism, anyone that actually constantly poses a differing view is constantly hammered in Israel. Hass, Pappe, Kimmerling, Schlaim, Bet Tselem, Avnery, any Palestinian member of Knesset, all are under constant and unremitting attack. Read Gideon Levy’s haaretz article called the empty square to get a real sense of the missing in action nature of the Israeli left.
The main point, get your own blog, and don’t try to give the impression that you are the soul of moderation presenting an unbiased view (no such thing). The attempts to try to discredit the site based on your own biases, misreadings of history and politics, are hopeless
June 6th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
From 1975 to 1991 Zionism was “officially” a form of racism and racial discrimination. This is what two-thirds of the nations of the world voted and agreed on. To me this has always been just common sense and I’ve never understood how anyone could claim anything else.
When in December 1991 the United States twisted arms to get that proclamation rescinded, it did a great disservice to the world.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
But then, we’ve had to do a lot of nasty things on behalf of the Jewish state.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Indeed, racism and defamation abounds.
http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=3482
June 6th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Whoa, I found a prominent example of “Zionist racism,” and in Israel yet!
http://ontheface.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2007/6/4/2996520.html
Kinda makes you proud to be Jewish and a Zionist, doesn’t it?
June 6th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
I am not sure why the willingness of the Tel Aviv municipality to give a symbolic pat on the head to Arabs should make anyone proud to be Jewish and Zionist as long as Israeli Palestinians suffer discrimination comparable to that experienced by German Jews circa 1935 or 1937 and when the Palestinians, who own most of the land of the Tel Aviv municipality, are consigned to refugee camps, where the population is economically ruined and starved by several different blockades imposed by the Zionist government.
For the record: in 1935, 1936, and 1937 the German Nazi government sponsored all sorts of Jewish events, sent officials public to attend said events, and provided material aid to the Zionist movement.
Should Germans today be proud that German Nazis were willing during that time period to give a symbolic pat on the head occasionally to the German Jewish population that the German government was abusing?
June 6th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Did I just see a comparison of Israelis to Nazis because of a small poetry celebration in Israel that challenges the idiotic racism claims above?
I think I did.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
I was pointing out that such a small poetry celebration says absolutely nothing about whether the Israeli settler colonist population is racist just as occasional support of the German Nazis for Jewish activities does not belie the claim that German Nazis were racists.
The early Nazi von Münchhausen wrote prefaces to Zionist books. (See Zionism and the Fin de siecle by Stanislawski.) His action does not mean that von Münchhausen and the German Nazis in general were not racists. In fact von Münchhausen was. He simply considered Zionism and German Nazism compatible similarly minded political ideologies. One could argue that von Münchhausen did not merely give Zionists a pat on the head, as a German gentile racist, he actively supported Jewish racists in their Zionist incarnation.
For the record it took me about 4 months of working in Israel and the Occupied Territories to realize how racist Zionism and the vast majority of Israel settler colonists are. I was quite stubborn and denied the brutality that took place right before my eyes.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Joachim - It must have been interesting working in the Occupied Territories at the same time you were endlessly posting items like this about Arabs and other Third World peoples:
“It is time for the dismantling of these totally moronic nations so that the primitive peoples of these moronic nations can be placed under the mandate of more civilized peoples who know how to run a civilized state and culture and who can train the savages.”
Having told me that these WERE your words, then telling everyone here that they were a fraudulent “spoof,” then finally backing off from that claim to say “Hey, ignore the fact that I spent the 90s as a mindless, Arab-hating bigot - today I’m enlightened! See! I’m only using my undergraduate-level rhetoric to call for the deportation of Jews!” I continue to wonder why a personal account of your transformation to a crazed Israel hater should be taken at face value.
No, I think the explanation is much more mundane. The bigotry that burns within you has grown no less bright. It’s just that you have now found a home among the very people you once denounced as mindless savages. Now that’s enlightening!
June 6th, 2007 at 6:10 pm
MEMRI has always been commended for the quality of their translations. Joachim Martillo provides one example of one phrase that may have understandably been mistranslated by confusing verbal forms and suffixes. Any other example from the massive piles of incitement and hatred that MEMRI has translated from Arab media?
Didn’t think so.
June 6th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Why is anybody bothering to converse with “Joachim?” Seriously.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:39 pm
The MEMRI translation was interesting because it was the first case I saw of an attempt to translate colloquial Palestinian Arabic, and it showed absolutely no knowledge of the grammar and vocabulary.
It indicates that the MEMRI translation team has no one that actually spent enough time among Palestinians to get a sense of colloquial Palestian.
A rational person would develop doubts about MEMRI in general.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Joachim Martillo seems to have touched a nerve with the “regulars.” (He must be doing something right.)
I’ll let you go back to your mud-slinging, but I can’t let this go unanswered:
“MEMRI has always been commended for the quality of their translations.”
No it hasn’t. It’s widely reviled as essentially a Zionist propaganda front.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html
http://www.juancole.com/2004/11/bloggers-respond-weblogging-community.html
“MEMRI is funded to the tune of $60 million a year by someone, and is a sophisticated anti-Arab propaganda machine. The organization cleverly cherry-picks the vast Arabic press, which serves 300 million people, for the most extreme and objectionable articles and editorials. It carefully does not translate the moderate articles. I have looked at newspapers that ran both tolerant and extremist opinion pieces on the same day, and checked MEMRI, to find that only the extremist one showed up. It would sort of be as though al-Jazeera published translations of Ann Coulter, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Jerry Falwell on Islam and the Middle East, but never published opinion piences on the subject by William Beeman or Dick Bulliet.”
June 6th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
PeaceThroughJustice Says:
“Joachim Martillo seems to have touched a nerve with the “regulars.” (He must be doing something right.)”
No nerves touched, just the chance to reminisce about the old Usenet days when Mr. Martillo spent day after day telling us all about how Arabs and other brown skinned people were ignorant savages deserving to be placed back under the imperialist rule of their white betters.
I find it somewhat interesting that JVP regulars like yourself don’t seem to have much of a problem with that so long as the bile being spewed today is targeted at the “right” people. Then again, it’s not that interesting.
June 6th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
I already discussed the timeline in Bridgenews.
I believe I more or less said the same thing in that discussion.
Sometime during the 80s I made a comment soc.culture.india that Indian nationalism was more or less the creation of a minor late 19th century British political scientist and was fairly mercilessly spoofed for years after that.
My ex-wife and a couple of friends had a lot of fun taking part in endless rants, and I admit that before 1997 my attitudes were pretty much Neoconservative, and I often took part.
During the 1990s I began doing international business first in Mexico and Latin America, then in Europe, the Middle East and East Asia.
It broadened my viewpoint, and I had to rethink my views on many areas including Palestine.
As for the Mosque case, I have read through the discovery materials. Karin’s and my articles that analysis these documents can be found at my web site.
The David Project wanted to create a nuisance lawsuit in order to create an environment of anti-Islamic paranoia in the media. Steven Cohen probably entertained dreams of getting hold of the Mosque property for some potentially very lucrative development.
The ISB took the high road of ignoring the racists as long as it can build its Mosque.
I am concerned with groups like the DP and similar organizations that are engaged in an un-American campaign to prevent civil discussion of topics that relate to the Middle East.
If Americans cannot have civil discussion on ME politics and issues, we are only left with uncivil discourse, and such seems to be the goal of the DP and Jewish racists.
So I have some questions for Jon Haber.
Let’s see if he can answer civilly.
Does Jon Haber believe that American citizens are obligated to support the continued existence of the State of Israel?
Does the assertion that Israel belongs to the Jewish people discriminate against those citizens that are non-Jewish?
At least 30% of the Israeli citizenry is non-Jewish. (I believe that the percentage may be a good deal higher.) Should the USA be providing unequivocal support to a state which tells at least 30% of its citizenry that the state is not really theirs?
Can Jon Haber distinguish between US and Israeli interests?
If US and Israeli interests conflicting (as they must if they are not identical), would Jon Haber chose to support US or Israeli interests?
June 6th, 2007 at 10:46 pm
Phil Weiss has posted an interesting article on the extent to which “liberal” Jews must be judged complicit in the neocon scam.
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/06/a_couple_weeks__1.html#comments
June 7th, 2007 at 3:24 am
Um, Peace Through Justice, you might wish to investigate that Juan Cole claim. You see, when pushed, he admitted he didn’t have a source. And since MEMRI is a 501(c)3 organization, its finances are public.
http://www.juancole.com/2004/11/intimidation-by-israeli-linked.html
It’s interesting to see you quote Cole’s lies as facts for a couple of reasons. First of all, when this story came out I first encountered Cole and predicted precisely what you did here (http://www.jewlicious.com/?p=479) - that from now on this lie would be spread across the Internet at fact (you know, the way Electronic Intifadah wrote a bullshit letter purportedly from Nelson Mandela criticizing Israel, which was a complete fabrication but seems to come up in debates all the time).
The lesson here for Muzzlewatch is that across the Internet, groupies of Cole’s screamed at how he was being muzzled by the threat of a lawsuit by MEMRI. In the meantime, nothing happened to Cole, he dismissed the threat of a lawsuit, never backed down from his claim but instead had the chutzpah to demand from Carmon at MEMRI PROOF that he wasn’t getting the false amount that Cole made up in the first place, and most important, had his false information spread all over the Internet. In other words, MEMRI needed Muzzlewatch and not Cole. Of course, the hypocrisy here is incredible. As a 501(c)3 corporation, MEMRI could have seen its status endangered if some government officials took Cole, an academic of some repute, at his word. MEMRI’s books don’t show $60 million because Cole made that number up, but the government wouldn’t know that without first investigating MEMRI. Second, Cole used and uses his status as an academic to drive home his authority on everything, even when he openly misrepresents facts or writes thinly veiled anti-Jewish comments (yeah, all pro-Israelis are “Likudniks,” right?). In other words, he demands his own freedom of speech but seeks to negate that of MEMRI’s with his accusations.
Dara, thanks for posting that antisemitic tripe. Yeah, all the Jews who belong to all of the organizations that somehow go against what Philip Weiss or you believe “control” America from “the tiniest school board to the national political level.”
So let’s see what we have in this discussion so far: Jews - Oh sorry, you guys mean “Zionists” or “neo-Cons” -
are the problem when it comes to the issues related to negative perceptions of Muslims; Jews are thieves; Jews have dual loyalty; Jews are like Nazis; Jews bulldoze mosques; Jewish scholars aren’t scholars but propagandists; Jews are racist; Jews control America in every respect.
Did I miss anything?
Gee whiz, I sure am glad to learn what Muzzlewatch is about. This site and movement are about establishing another website where those people who wish to bring up every antisemitic canard in the book can and will do so. What’s new about this? I’ve seen it all over the Internet.
Oh no, I brought up the word “antisemitic.” I bet you’ll all feel muzzled now.
June 7th, 2007 at 8:58 am
One of the favorite themes of Sheikh Yusuf al Qaradawi, one of the favorite Islamic “scholars” of the Islamic Society of Boston (and one of its founders, I might add)expresses a very interesting view of women and their complicity in their own rape, and I quote:
“To be absolved from guilt, the raped woman must have shown some sort of good conduct . . . Islam addresses women to maintain their modesty, as not to open the door for evil.
“The Koran calls upon Muslim women in general to preserve their dignity and modesty, just to save themselves from any harassment.
“So for a rape victim to be absolved from guilt, she must not be the one that opens . . . her dignity for deflowering.”
Shall we assume that any -in context -quoting of ISB scholars will be shunted aside by the censors of this web site? But let’s not allow a few unpleasant facts to muddle the party line. And oh yes, Sheikh Qaradawi has similar charming things to say about gays, lesbians and, of course, Jews (regardless of their “progressive” credentials).
June 7th, 2007 at 10:53 am
I think I now understand the meaning of “Muzzlewatch”:
Looking down (and approving of) the muzzle of anti-Semitism.
Watch out, it may become the piece de resistance for its casters.
June 8th, 2007 at 3:30 am
Given that the MEMRI team is based in Israel, it is hard to believe that they don’t have familiarity with Palestinian dialect.
Yes, they are Zionist. No one, especially them, disputes this.
BTW, as for example that Joachim provided from amongst the massive piles of material that MEMRI has, I myself can not say if this is translated correctly by MEMRI or by Joachim. I am still awaiting any evidence of a pattern of mistranslation. So far, I have not seen any, and I know many Arabic speakers who have confirmed this.
June 8th, 2007 at 8:42 am
http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/six-days-of-war-40-years-of-secrecy/2007/05/26/1179601730257.html
Was the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty deliberate? The US is morally bound to find out.
FORTY years ago in a quiet corner of the Mediterranean off the Sinai Desert, an extraordinary attack was launched by Israeli jet fighters and torpedo boats on the USS Liberty.
It was the fourth day of the Six-Day War. The large intelligence-gathering ship was in international waters, proudly flying the US flag and clearly marked as the USS Liberty. Conditions were calm and clear, but by day’s end 34 American sailors were killed and 172 injured.
The USS Liberty struggled back to Malta with several gaping holes and a US Navy Court of Inquiry team on board. The president of this inquiry was Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, and Captain Ward Boston jnr was counsel assisting, but under Pentagon orders the court was not permitted to travel to Israel to complete its investigations.
June 8th, 2007 at 11:27 am
it’s nice to see that muzzlewatch has its limits. of course joachim can lie, call jews nazis, spout any kind of racist hatred he wants, and that’s not moderated, but if someone posts an email address that was in a link sent by the man himself, that is somehow over the line.
cecilie, i do believe your heart is in the right place. but you must realize that the hateful posts that are put up here, ones that evince a double standard when it comes to israel, ones that inspire the haters who think that the existence of israel itself is an “occupation”, bring out the worst in people. this site will never encourage dialogue because JVP is simply too one-sided.
June 8th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Joshua says: “So basically, JVP admits that it supported a lawsuit against individuals for nothing more than that they engaged in the political process to oppose a sweetheart and secret deal over the use of public land. And it justifies it because, of course, some of the people on the other side are vocally pro-Israel.”
I have read a lot about this in various media, and Joshua’s description seems spot on.
I can’t help but notice the rampant hate-mongering taking place on “Muzzlewatch”. (John Doe have you just discovered the dishonest allegations against Israel about the Liberty? This is a very old story, disproven, that Jew-haters love to pull out. Next will you quote us from the “Protocols of Zion”, or try to claim that “Jews control the media”? Seriously!)
June 8th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
The truth is that the very recordings made by that spy ship of communications between the Israelis and their bases are the very evidence that exonerates Israel of deliberately attacking it.
Rememer, the term `Friendly Fire` is one the US invented, and is never short on occasions in which to use it.
June 8th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
“Ricki Bobbi Says:
June 6th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
for all you trolls, get a life, Israel right or wrongers, actively paid agents of mainstream American Jewish or Israeli groups, get over yourself,”
Ricki, this is supposed to be a site about muzzling of commentary on the Middle East, with a focus on muzzling on criticism of Israel. This site repeatedly fails to identify such muzzling, and also attracts vicious Israel-haters who dredge up allegations varying from one-sided to absurd.
Where are these “Israel-right-or-wrongers”? that you refer to? Criticism of Israel is mainstream, including among supporters of Israel. The support for Israel you perceive here is largely an attempt to correct one-sided or incorrect information.
June 8th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Martin A: you think Captain Ward Boston is dishonest? why? read his op-ed today:
http://imeu.net/news/article005497.shtml
June 9th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
Martin,
I suppose interpretation of muzzling is, and can be, quite subjective.
Aside from that, can you please cite any criticism of Israel in mainstream US media?