“Never Again” Means For Everyone
Posted on May 16 2007 by Cecilie Surasky under ADL , American Jewish Committee , Government.By Mitchell Plitnick
Cross-posted at The Third Way, JVP’s policy analysis blog.
In one of the most bizarre and appalling developments here in the US, a number of Jewish groups are pressing Congress not to recognize the Armenian genocide of the early 20th century. They are opposing bills in both the House and Senate that would formally recognize it.
It’s hard to imagine the cynicism and hypocrisy that this act embodies. Of all people, we Jews have, rightly, pushed the world to acknowledge horrific acts of genocide, to mark them, try to prevent them and to raise our voices loudly in the cry of “Never Again.”
The four Jewish groups that presented the case to Congress, on behalf of the Turkish Jewish community, were the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), B’Nai Brith, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) and the American Jewish Committee (AJC).
That JINSA would engage in this is not surprising. A Jewish group in name only, JINSA is a right-wing propaganda machine that has pushed the worst excesses of both the Bush Administration and the Israeli right for years, with no regard for human rights or the welfare of innocents, in Israel or elsewhere. Of the other three groups, it is fair to expect much better than this.
The groups are concerned about Turkey’s standing in world opinion, but frankly the concern is overblown. Outside of Turkey, few believe that the massacre of Armenians during the reign of the Young Turks as the Ottoman Empire was crumbling under the weight of World War I was not a genocide. Official declarations of genocide have been made by most European countries, 40 out of the 50 United States of America, Russia and many other countries. Those that have not made formal recognition have often made it clear that politics, rather than a true disagreement with the characterization, has been the reason. Germany, for instance, passed a resolution that “honors and commemorates the victims of violence, murder and expulsion among the Armenian people before and during the First World War”. The German resolution mentions that “many independent historians, parliaments and international organizations describe the expulsion and annihilation of the Armenians as genocide.”
Iran does not formally recognize the Armenian genocide, but in 2004, their president, Mohammed Khatami, visited a memorial to the genocide. And so on.
Israel does not recognize the Armenian genocide and this has occasionally caused controversy in Israeli society. Again, few Israelis would deny the genocide, but Turkey is one of Israel’s few allies, and a Muslim country at that, so they are not willing to rock the boat.
These are the considerations, of course, that motivate American Jewish groups to oppose Congressional recognition of the Armenian genocide. And they are, plain and simple, the wrong considerations.
It’s objectionable enough that Israel, the Jewish State, downplays and withholds recognition of the Armenian genocide. But in Israel’s case, they are an embattled country with few true allies, and Turkey is not only one of them, it is the only full ally of Israel in the region and in the Muslim world. That doesn’t excuse Israel’s stance, but the circumstances at least provide a rationale, and one that is understandable if not acceptable.
But the US has no such concern. It’s not like Turkey can afford to rend its relationship with the United States over a Congressional declaration that would change little, as most of the US already recognizes the genocide. And it is even less a concern for American Jews, who should be the first to hold this principle above all others.
The hypocrisy becomes even clearer when we examine a separate statement by the ADL and JINSA where they state that legislators should not take a position on such matters.
One has to ask, would the ADL stake out the same position on the Shoah? Does it matter to them that they just provided an argument to Holocaust-deniers? Or did they not even bother to think it through that far?
In any case, it is worth noting that many Jewish groups do not share this stance and that many of the proposed bill to recognize the Armenian genocide are Jewish. The Progressive Jewish Alliance, in fact, published an op-ed in the LA Times decrying the actions of these four groups.
As Jews, we rightly say “Never Again.” But what does the phrase mean if it doesn’t apply to everyone?
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May 16th, 2007 at 11:21 pm
Pretty legitimate criticism, if indeed the facts are as presented (I see no link to news stories or statements from the involved organizations). It might have more moral credibility if it wasn’t coming from those who don’t have any problem participating in demonstrations where the Hezbollah and Hamas flags are displayed, where raw anti-Semitic propaganda is displayed (”Nazi Kikes out of Lebanon”, etc, viewed at http://www.zombietime.com/stop_the_us_israeli_war_8_12_2006/), and where the chant is once again heard (created by the Nazi Mufti Haj Amin al Husseini in the 1920’s) “Filastin hi arduna, Wa al-Yahud kilabuna,” - “Palestine is our
land, and the Jews are our dogs.”
May 17th, 2007 at 11:48 am
Well said, and well thought out.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
So now the ADL is into Holocaust denial–which is effectively what denying the Armenian genocide is. This comes as no surprise given ADL’s whitewash of MoveOn’s hate speech last year.
ADL has totally blown its credibility. I am not happy with the roles of the other groups you name either, but the ADL’s very reason for existence is to make sure the world never forgets the lessons of the Holocaust.
I do not see why recognition of this event should offend modern Turks, because it is almost inconceivable that any of the perpetrators could be alive today. An 18 year old Turk who killed Armenians in 1915 would be 110 years old today, which would have to be some kind of world record.
Christians have no problem acknowledging what “Christians” did during the Middle Ages and Renaissance, because Christians no longer act that way. Modern Turkey is not the Ottoman Empire (which was still the most progressive Islamic nation of its era). Not the same regime, not the same people, it is simply history.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
I’m sorry to say this, but you must have been living in a cave to consider this a new development. I remember reading about the Holocaust Industry’s suppression of the Armenian genocide 20 years ago.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Mike, could you repeat that about 20 more times? We’re not all tired of your lack of contribution quite yet.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
Mike, I agree with you that the anti-Semitism at the International ANSWER demonstration on August 12 was appalling and we were appalled by it too.
As for the “Jews are our dogs” chant that you guys just love to write about, that happened at a rally in front of the Israeli consulate sposored by Al Awda, International ANSWER and Jews for a Free Palestine. Jewish Voice for Peace did not participate in this rally in any way and you know it. Anyone who doesn’t believe me can check with the San Francisco Jewish Community Relations Council; they have confirmed this.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
If JVP was that appalled (and of course rightfully should have been), where was any statement from its leadership about that (sorry, the generalized condemnation of anti-Semitism on your website doesn’t qualify)? Not only that, did anyone really think after ANSWER’s performance in front of the consulate that things would be any different at Civic Center? Didn’t JVP continue to participate in ANSWER events (such as the January ANSWER rally)? Doesn’t sound like JVP was appalled enough to actually stop supporting ANSWER. If you indeed refuse (as does Tikkun) to work with ANSWER, then that is certainly a small step in the right direction.
As far as the “filastin hi arduna” chant there were also Arabic speakers among us who heard it at the Aug 12 rally, though it wasn’t taped to get onto YouTube. Arabic speakers? Yes, members of the 900,000 Jewish refugees from circa 1948 who fled, or were expelled from, Arab countries.
Sorry if the truth is boring. I hope I won’t make you yawn further if I ask, once again, for the long (and eagerly) awaited justification for JVP’s involvement in the Boston lawsuit aimed at muzzling and intimidating free speech.
May 18th, 2007 at 10:57 am
1. Why is this on Muzzlewatch?
2. Who is representing the opposing viewpoint on this matter here? That is, what is the explanation that the Jewish groups provide for these actions? No one has bothered to check with them as far as I can tell.
3. Doing a search on AJC’s website, it appears that their position on Turkey revolves around Turkey joining the EU, as well as favoring freedom of expression in Turkey. I found nothing on the Armenian genocide. Here is an AJC Press release from January 2007:
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Press Releases
AJC Calls on Turkey to Ensure Freedom of Expression
January 24, 2007 – New York – The American Jewish Committee is joining in the call for abolition of Turkish legislation, Law 301, which makes it a crime to “insult the Turkish identity.”
We join with four friends in the American Turkish community, as expressed by the Assembly of Turkish American Associations, in this effort. Law 301 is widely believed to have created the atmosphere that encouraged those responsible for the murder of Hrant Dink, the Turkish Armenian editor of Agos, who was shot at his Istanbul office last Friday.
AJC condemned the killing of Dink, and sent condolences to his family and those who advocate for the full freedom of expression in Turkey. The outpouring of grief, illustrated by the more than 100,000 mourners who walked with his coffin on Tuesday, sends a strong message to Prime Minister Erdogan and his administration that they should take steps to guarantee the full rights of expression in the media and other public forums.
AJC, the oldest human relations organization in the United States, has long championed Turkey as a secular and democratic state, and is concerned that Dink’s murder will stand as a blot on Turkey’s admirable progress and could hinder the country’s accession to the European Union.
”Abolishing Law 301 will be a significant step to bring Turkey into conformity with the policies of the European Union and Western democracies in guaranteeing the full rights of expression,” said Barry Jacobs, AJC’s director of strategic studies, who had met Dink on several occasions.
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May 18th, 2007 at 11:18 am
i also don’t think there’s much of a chance that JVP will explain or justify or apologize for allowing people to sell tshirts advocating the destruction of israel at their conference, either.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
I attended the JVP conference. I came away with the impression that JVP is DEFACTO against a Jewish state.
That is, the stated JVP policy is to be agnostic on this issue, as far as I can tell, but in practice, if you look at who they offer as prominent speakers and who they give awards to, I felt there was no doubt as to where JVP stands on this issue.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
Off topic — Interesting survey: One third of Israelis don’t think “American Jews have a right to freely and publicly criticize Israel and Israeli policies.”
Hive mind?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178708628689&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
May 18th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
It might be “if you don’t live here and vote, then limit your opinions.” It does seem like alot of the “critics” of Israeli policies are terribly ignorant about what any such policices actually are, so it is understandable.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
One must remember that nationalism or chauvinism is, as Dr Johnson remarked, the last refuge of the scoundrel. The Japanese Ministry of Education has steadfastly refused to allow successive generations of Japanese school children a full and honest account of the rape of Nanking and of the women and girls the Imperial Army enslaved as sex-slaves for the brutal enjoyment of their troops and officers. The Russian Empire continues to pretend that Chechnya and Ossetia are part of Russia. The Mohammedan, Christian and Judaic admirers of Abram continue to turn a blind eye to his pimping to Pharoah of his wife Sarai in return for the animals and slaves that set Abram up as a big man; likewise they overlook the genocide of every man, woman and child of the seven great cities of the plains at the hands of Joshua, history’s first recorded psycho whose defence no doubt would be today that he was merely following orders that came directly from the Great Leader Himself.
Zionists, Arab nationalists, Turkish nationalists, Japanese, Russian, German, American, British and Australian nationalists of every hue and colour share one belief: the truth doesn’t matter; all that matters is that you feel that you belong to something bigger than yourself so that you can forget what a pathetic, pointless existence you lead and kid yourself you’re part of something great, something wonderful, something worth living and dying for.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Colenso says “so that you can forget what a pathetic, pointless existence you lead and kid yourself you’re part of something great, something wonderful, something worth living and dying for.”
Get some Prozac dude!
May 19th, 2007 at 12:21 am
This story is a great example of what all of these Holocaust fanatics are really after. It’s really quite saddening that The Holocaust could not have been a symbol of universal human suffering but has now been hijacked by people who sanction state violence and who clearly do not care about the massive killing of other people. What have we learned from “The” Holocaust? - I would say not a thing.
By the way, Mr. What Went Wrong Bernard Lewis has been convicted in a French Court for holocaust denial. That is denial of the Armenian Holocaust.
May 19th, 2007 at 5:50 am
Anyone who reads the Jewish press knows that Turkish-Israeli relations and how that impacts the way Israelis and American Jews deal not just with the Armenian genocide, but Turkish human rights abuses today, has been hotly debated, openly and loudly, for quite some time. Cecille’s piece on this subject represents a slice of that debate, which is well worth using as a starting point for anyone who wants to explore this issue in more detail.
Since I’m pretty familiar with this issue, I decided to start my exploration by finding out what Jewish Voices for Peace has had to say about the Armenian genocide, or about more recent genocides, like the one going on today in Darfur. To my great surprise, it seems as though they have had nothing to say on any of these subjects at all, which brings up the question: has Muzzlewatch chosen to think about the Armenian genocide because it is an important historical human rights issue with ramifications even today? Or have they brought it up soley because they can use it to put American Jewish organizations in a bad light? In other words, are the Armenians real people with a real history that needs to be confronted, or are they useful props with which groups like JVP can beat their fellow Jews over the head with?
Sorry for ending that last sentence with a preposition.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
To respond to Mike in #7, you must really think JVP is an amazing organization if you think that we know about every chant that goes on at every demonstration, including the ones we don’t participate in. We are a group of very smart, savy Jews, but we’re not quite that all-knowing. But thanks for the compliment.
SF Voice for Israel, on the other hand, can never seem to get its “facts” straight. The January 27 Anti-War march was not an “ANSWER rally,” it was organized by another group, I believe it was the ISO. And yes we were there because we think it’s imortant to oppose Bush, Cheney and the war in Iraq. You guys must be for the war, right?
May 19th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Ending a sentence with a preposition?? Well, Jon, that is the type of thing up with which we will not put
I have to say I’m puzzled by this post and others of yours and the trolls here, if only because of the mental effort you must put into demonising JVP so. Your gymnastics seem to bring you to only two choices: JVP supports genocide since you have found no statements regarding the Armenians and Darfur, or else JVP has done something or other solely to “beat their fellow Jews over the head”.
Another explanation is of course that you may be stuck in black-and-white thinking, something that most people (but not all) develop past by the end of adolescence, as their budding moral and cognitive abilities allow ‘grey’ areas in their lives. Similar is psychological splitting as a defence might explain it, a la Freud, Klein and Kernberg.
There are many organizations, Jewish and otherwise, that I don’t resonate with but I don’t spend my time on their message boards or comments sections hounding those who do. Are you trying to convert JVP members and sympathizers to your thinking? Doesn’t seem like a very good use of time.
I’ll send you an invoice.
May 19th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
I indeed stand corrected regarding the most recent ANSWER event– that was March 18; Jan 27 was, as you noted, organized by ISO and UFPJ, and was marked by a much lower profile for anti-Israel rantings (at least until the speakers at the waterfront piers started– but most of the marchers had already peeled off by then!).
San Francisco Voice for Israel takes no official position on the war in Iraq; our flyers at ANSWER events make it clear that we are there to oppose ANSWER’s anti-Semitism that even you acknowledge. So don’t claim that you’re not aware of what ANSWER is doing while you are supporting it with your presence, your group name, and your dollars.
Our website http://www.sfvoiceforisrael.org also notes:
“San Francisco Voice for Israel does not endorse or condone any type of racist messages, whether they come from the anti-Israel side or the pro-Israel side. Any signs that call for violence against Arabs or Muslims, or denigrating either group as a whole, are specifically disavowed and condemned by us and individuals carrying such signs are asked to leave our events.
The difference between us and the anti-Israel groups such as International ANSWER and al-Awda is that they sponsor racist messages and they put racist speakers up on their podium as part of their program.”
Alan, all we’re trying to do is unmask JVP for what is truly is– just another group that is happy to side with ANSWER, and with other Israel-rejectionists such as yourself and whoever was selling those “anti-Zionist” T-shirts; yet at the same time is trying to claim some higher moral ground and “Jewish values” in the process.
May 19th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
john haber, mr concerned about darfur, do you even know how many have been killed in the congo?
May 20th, 2007 at 2:18 am
One can constantly hear jews complain about the “resurgence of anti-semitism” but never address the root cause of it: Israel’s own actions. Israel has a right to exist and its people live in safety, but committing and condoning genocide does not permit that.
As I heard it said, “When the jews left the death camps, they needed exit counseling. Instead, they were given a country.”
May 21st, 2007 at 2:15 pm
“One can constantly hear jews complain about the “resurgence of anti-semitism” but never address the root cause of it: Israel’s own actions.”
right, israel’s actions is the root cause of anti-semitism. that’s why there was no anti-semitism in human history prior to 1948.
great work you’re doing. keep using that brain of yours.
May 21st, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Alan Cheney says:
“I have to say I’m puzzled by this post and others of yours and the trolls here, if only because of the mental effort you must put into demonising JVP so.”
Alan – You have already made it clear your dislike for people with differing or challenging opinions taking part in this discussion. Since I have already explained to you the reasons why I have decided to take time in this (and only this) forum, I feel no need to defend against an accusation that this is time spent for the soul purpose of trolling and harassing JVP members. If you find it so difficult to share a forum with people who are not in lock step with the party line, you should touch base with the creators of this site and urge them to pull the plug on the comments section, or ask them to install a registration routine that only allows comments from people who already agree on everything. While that would make this a far duller place, it would ensure that you never have to soil your eyes by reading opinions with which you don’t already agree.
Similarly, while I appreciate your pulling your college psych books from the shelf in order to spell Kernberg’s name correctly, I think your comments regarding black and white thinking are best directed towards Cecile (who started this thread), not I. It was she, after all, who has decided there is one and only one explanation as to why a Jewish organization would take a certain stand on legislation regarding the Armenian genocide. While I am of the opinion that groups like ADL and AJC exercised poor judgment in this decision, I am willing to give them the benefit of considering the kind of grey areas you urge us all to embrace, especially with regard to the use of Holocaust imagery for events other than the Shoah.
My comments regarding the apparent lack of interest of JVP in the Armenian genocide (or any other genocide), other than as a means to slam other Jewish groups for their supposed hypocrisy remains relevant since it was Muzzlewatch (and not I) that brought the Armenian genocide into this discussion in the first place. If JVP is trying to create a contrast between it’s own supposed non-hypocritical behavior with regard to consistently applying human rights standards vs. the behavior of ADL (which they criticize), it’s more than fair for JVP’s track record to be subjected to scrutiny (unless you think that criticism that is not one way is a form of “muzzling”).
May 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Norbert says:
“john haber, mr concerned about darfur, do you even know how many have been killed in the congo?”
I presume you’re talking about the approximate 3.8 million people who have been killed in the Congo Civil War since 1998, not the eight million killed in the Congo Free State between 1886 and 1908, or the thousands killed in the Congo Crises of the 1960s (including the Stanleyville Revolt and Mercenary uprising) or the repression and revolts between Stanleyville and the current Civil War?
If that’s the case, your point is well taken. This is yet another example of JVP and Muzzlewatch using an historic genocide as a way to beat other Jewish groups over the head, while simultaneously showing no interest in the actual historic events under consideration.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
May 21st, 2007 at 11:07 pm
#19, Mike, thank you for acknowleding your mistake.
May 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
You’re quite welcome. Now can I get an acknowledgement from JVP that supporting ANSWER’s anti-Semitism (at which you are, in your own words, appalled)was a mistake and that JVP, like Tikkun, will no longer participate in ANSWER’s events?