AIPAC and Pastor John Hagee, anti-Semite fighter Abe Foxman muzzled?
Posted on March 12 2007 by Cecilie Surasky under ADL , AIPAC.Just to put this mishegas in perspective, while CAMERA works overtime to make the world safe for watching Law & Order again, a man who really does want to see Jews wiped off the face of the earth has earned the love of AIPAC and yes, even the approval of Abe Foxman.
Yesterday, AIPAC’s policy conference, which “annually draws half of the Senate and a third of the House,” greeted pastor John Hagee of Christians United for Israel with multiple standing ovations for his “fiery pro-Israel” speech.
Talk2Action states that Pastor Hagee, one of the most powerful leaders of the Christian Zionist movement:
…blames the Holocaust on Jews themselves and states that Nazi persecution of Jews was God’s way of driving Jews to Israel, seems to blame Jews for the death of Jesus Christ, holds that Jews cannot get into heaven, calls liberal Jews “poisoned” and “spiritually blind”, believes that the preemptive nuclear attack on Iran that he advocates will lead to a Mideast conflict that will kill most Jews in Israel and perhaps also lead to the Nuclear destruction of the East and West coasts of the United States of America, and meets frequently with top leaders of the GOP and with contenders for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination.
They also have this video in which Hagee talks about the New World Order and the Illuminati (also controlled by liberal Jews no doubt).
Jews on First has this very important piece Pushback on Armageddon, which further describes the Faustian bargain being made between many Jewish organizations and the Christian right. Abe Foxman has played an interesting role.
The major Jewish organizations do not welcome Jewish criticism of their embrace of Christian Zionists. These Christians are seen as crucial to Israel’s tourism industry and its domestic popularity.
One exception is Abraham Foxman, the director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). In 2005 he urged the big Jewish organizations to take a stand against the Christian right, which, he warned, wants to establish a theocracy in the United States. Foxman’s colleagues publicly rejected his call and he largely stopped his public criticism.
Recently Foxman broke his silence with an op-ed in Time, in which he expressed gratitude for the Christian right’s support of Israel and continuing disagreement with the religious right’s domestic agenda. Foxman also made it clear that the Christian right sees its support for Israel as a quid pro quo for Jewish silence on its domestic agenda.
But does appreciating Christian right so-called support for Israel also require Jews to shut up about the mainstreaming of anti-Semitism? Apparently so. Jewish Week reports:
But Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League and a strong critic of many Christian right groups, said he is not alarmed about Hagee’s role in the policy conference.
“I think there is a role for him,” Foxman aid. “He has earned a certain recognition with the community because of his support for Israel.”
With friends like Hagee, who needs enemies?
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March 12th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
this coalition has to be one of the alltime best ever….the christian lobby who are waiting for the messiah to return to israel after a final battle in which …they expect many many bad things to happen to the populace of israel, being courted by the people of the book for political support….malcolm hoenlein said it best ……malcolm hoenlein needs no introduction i am sure….this is from a recent speech he gave. normally the rabbi pastor john haggee as i like to refer to him would be labeled an anti semite but he is well under control.
According to Hoenlein, such critics tend not only to delegitimize Israel but also to „intimidate American Jews not to speak out.” He called on American Jews to take action against this phenomenon, saying that Christian Zionists seemed at times more willing than Jews to fight back.
March 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pm
Cecelie, this blog has become very scattershot.
Is this really about “muzzling”?
Both you and John Doe seem desparate to lash out with hate, and the actual content or relevance seem less and less to matter.
March 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Re: “But Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League and a strong critic of many Christian right groups, said he is not alarmed about Hagee’s role in the policy conference.”
I am not surprised. Abraham Foxman did not have any trouble with MoveOn.org’s blatant and proven lies about not knowing about the racist, anti-Semitic, and anti-Christian hate speech in its Action Forum either. As far as I am concerned, ADL whitewashed its fellow left-wingers at MoveOn.org. (As Jewish Voice for Peace attempted to do.)
I am friendly to Evangelical Christianity, although I recognize that they have some bigots (as does every religion). If what is said about Hagee is true (and I will have to see for myself before I accept this), then I would indeed write him down as one of them.
March 12th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Passover is coming and its time to think about the Four Sons. Before I take it upon myself to call someone an “anti-semite”, as some have choosen to label this individual, (although never have I heard someone called an “anti-semite” just for opposing Israel’s policies) I usually like to really inquire and let them speak. There are those folks that are racist and hate Jews just for being Jews. Those can be represented by the Wicked Son and its hard to fix a bigot although it can be done. Sometimes, really, often times, they are simply misinformed. They can be the Simple Son and they can be educated. Then there are those that are basically ignorant and misguided. They are the ones that have no capacity to inquire, and to them, you must tell the entire story. So before we rush to judge, we should inquire. Perhaps like alot of the folks posting here, he’s just not fully informed and needs education.
March 12th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
dude where is the hate, i am a christian who used to support the right reverend rabbi john haggee with dollars for the famous aliyas for ethiopian and russian jews returning to their ancestral homes..i cant support him any longer because he advocates a crusade in the middle east against the muslims in the name of jesus christ to help protect israel which in my eyes doenst need any protecting other than from god..
and the jewish lobby openly supporting/courting him seems ludicrous to jews mainly, certainly not to me…
so where is the hate…quit frothing at the mouth, im not an anti semite and i have only posted mostly from jewish leaders about things going on in israel.
March 12th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
So, nu, which son is John Doe?
March 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
dont hate boys….and girls simply love thy neighbor as thyself…this is the greatest commandment.
March 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
john doe, you have called for the destruction of the state of israel, and yes, that does make you an anti-semite.
you muzzle-watchers are funny. it sure seems like there’s plenty of debate on the issue. even your quotes from foxman evince a complexity that proves there is no muzzle. some jews disagree with the love affair some are having with fundamentalist christians, and those critiques are well known. all your links only prove that there is considerable debate among the jewish community.
are you mad that all jews don’t have the same opinion? what exactly is being muzzled here? he has support from some jews and not others, and some christians and not others. not really sure what your problem is here.
March 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pm
the destruction? please point me to this slurr….
you crack me up with that remark because that is so far from anything i have ever posted….matter of fact most of my postings are the words of zions leaders..or israeli knesset members…some newspaper stories etc…im not in this to hate only to LEARN….at this moment im listening to a historian….israeli, on the beginning of israel…why? cause i really want to sift through this issue for my personal education, thank you very much, this blog is here for all to make comments and remarks and express opinion about the issue at hand…mainly israeli policy in the middle east.
On January 26, Israeli historian Ilan Pappe gave a lecture at the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands. Pappe was in the Netherlands on invitation of United Civilians for Peace and Another Jewish Voice. On January 27 he presented his latest book “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” in ABC Treehouse Gallery and On January 28, he lectured at Desmet in Amsterdam.
http://webdisk.planet.nl/houck006/publiek/album/Lectures/Broadband/Ilan%20Pappe%201.mp3
seriously, please dont go about accusing someone of wanting to destroy israel…..i only began to learn about this issue through the non zionist jews…im not mad at anyone for not having the same point of view, i could honestly tell you that its none of my business what you all desire for israel, judaism or bagels with cream cheese with or without lox…….not my business, everyone has the right to choose how to eat their bagel…..i just watch and participate and am dumbfounded sometimes by what i see and hear among you all…
im just a christian who believes in the jewish messiah.
sorry to have wizzed you off, but you ought to be more upset at the reason why so much attention is being directed your way. i guess its easier to blame one guy on a blog or anyone who disagrees with you.
March 12th, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Ilan Pappe is as representative of academics in Israel as Ward Churchill is in the US. He has stated “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts. His “lectures” definitely stand in support of that principle.
March 12th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
Hagee is not supporting Israel’s agenda. Israel is supporting Hagee’s agenda. The more he “loves” Israel, the more he “owns” Israel. The Israeli right fringe has gained power to the extent that Hagee and his friends “love” Israel. They follow that agenda, Israel becomes more and more an international pariah. And the Hagees becomemore and more Israel’s “only friend.” Mark my words.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:04 am
“john doe Says:
March 12th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
dude where is the hate,”
You and Cecelie search the web for random bad things to say about Israel or those that support the idea of Jewish state. Your comments relate less and less to the topic of this blog - muzzling of debate - and have simply become presentation of isolated strands of information designed to generate hate.
Cecelie’s writeup that generated this stream is a prime example. It’s designed to slur AIPAC or AIPAC supporters. It has nothing to do with demonstrating muzzling of debate.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:04 am
great, john doe, i’m glad to hear you don’t call for the destruction of israel. just to be clear, you’re in favor of a strong, independent israel as it exists today. you are critical of some of israel’s actions, but you support her existence. excellent. glad to hear it.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:58 am
The fact that Israel must now depend on these idiotic evangelical Christians simply shows that they are scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as allies (and CASH DONORS) are concerned — HOW PATHETIC. Jews now dependent on moronic American evangelical Christians only demonstrates how far they have sunk. Because, you see, Israel (and the Jews) have no more allies left.
Where I live, infomercials are routinely run by the “International Fellowship of Christians and Jews” that prey on these dumbass evangelicals (infomercials on which Hagee and other evangelical leaders often appear), asking them to pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars by ’sponsoring a Jew’ for aliyah to Israel.
If the evangelical is poor they can pay less and send money that supposedly provides ‘food boxes’ for elderly and ‘impoverished’ Jews in the former Soviet Union. These infomercials feature teary-eyed evangelical Christians crying about how they are doing their part to help the ‘chosen people’ — they also feature tear-jerking segments of very old Ukranian or Russian ‘Jews’ that live in tin shacks with only a few crumbs to eat.
What a fucking joke.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:34 am
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March 13th, 2007 at 8:49 am
Wassermann Says:
If the evangelical is poor they can pay less and send money that supposedly provides ‘food boxes’ for elderly and ‘impoverished’ Jews in the former Soviet Union. These infomercials feature teary-eyed evangelical Christians crying about how they are doing their part to help the ‘chosen people’ — they also feature tear-jerking segments of very old Ukranian or Russian ‘Jews’ that live in tin shacks with only a few crumbs to eat.
on the humanitarian front there is nothing of validity you can say against these folk, christian dollars have done more to help these people live than you or i could imagine, if it werent for this financial support do you think bibi netanyahoo would be appearing on pat robertsons 700 club for nothing…he is there to court the dollars they bring to the holy land. israels leaders parade through his program because he is israels financial supporter, with tourism and donations and political support at the beck and call of israeli leaders….it is quite an alliance.
March 13th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
mike says..Ilan Pappe is as representative of academics in Israel as Ward Churchill is in the US. He has stated “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts. His “lectures” definitely stand in support of that principle.
how about shlomo ben ami? does he qualify as a historian?
you seem to believe that he sacrifices facts in support of ideology, on the contrary he sifts through facts to follow the ideology that drives the acts which drove the zionist. he is delving past the myths sold to us for consumption in the rest of the world….and whats wrong with studying history….the facts if they are true will be able to withstand any scrutiny….but alas there are some fears out there about some historic events…personally if i were jewish id be proud to show the world the irrefutable facts of history over and over to silence the unbelievers……
March 13th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Cecilie: Just wanted to let you know that somehow your own post above is pinging the post & appearing as a trackback within the comment thread. See comment 18. Not sure why that’s happening & I don’t think it should be.
Thanks for putting this post together. It spurred me to write an in depth piece on Hagee & transcribe the “best” bits of his AIPAC address, which is truly chilling.
In case anyone needs any proof of how deluded Bill Levinson is, see this:
Both the ADL AND Moveon.org “left-wingers.” Abe Foxman would really get a chuckle out of that. Or perhaps he’d give Bill a call & tell him to “cease & desist.”
BTW, since Hagee calls liberal Jews “poison” & claims we brought the Holocaust on our fellow Jews through our “worship of false gods” (take a look at the post I wrote on this linked to this comment) I’d say that fully qualifies him for inclusion in Muzzlewatch. If such hate doesn’t qualify as intimidation I don’t know what does.
March 13th, 2007 at 6:01 pm
we still don’t know what any of this has to do with the issue of voices being muzzled. a non jews speaks at aipac, you criticize it, faboo. everyone expressing opinions and no one is being muzzled.
so it’s clear, as others have pointed out, that this blog has nothing to do with the stifling of debate, and is merely a forum for israel-bashers.
March 13th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Ok, ‘yehudi’, you’ve now made your point several times: you don’t like this blog. We get it. Can you and the other trolls please go away now?
March 13th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
I can’t follow most of this discussion. It does appear to be written in ordinary English, and most of the time it simply does not make sense. Here is my favorite:
“…never have I heard someone called an ‘anti-semite’ just for opposing Israel’s policies.”
In the words of John MacEnroe: “You can’t be serious.”
March 14th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Then show me an example from mainstream Judaism. I hear people talk about Israel all the time, some postive, some negative. I have never heard the critics of Israel called “anti-semites” just for their political views except when they include blatantly anti-semitic views within their criticism of Israel.
While I don’t beleive all critcs of israel to be anti-semites, I do expect all anti-semites to be critics of Israel.
March 14th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
“Ok, ‘yehudi’, you’ve now made your point several times: you don’t like this blog. We get it. Can you and the other trolls please go away now?”
on the contrary, i love this blog. you supporters of it keep proving that people can freely criticize israel, and you keep proving that if anyone is doing the muzzling it’s you, as evidenced by your quote above.
you think you’re not getting boring, mr. cheney? you hate israel. blah blah blah.
March 14th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
alan, of course it’s true that it’s not antisemitic to criticize israel’s policies; it happens in israel every day.
i’m really sorry if you can’t tell the difference between criticizing the actions of a government and calling for a country’s destruction. most of the rest of us can.
March 14th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
I’m not here to say what constitutes “mainstream Judaism”- except that if that definition fits AIPAC and Abe Foxman, it must be an awfully “big tent”, for countenancing John Hagee.
In light of that fact, how much further out is this? http://www.gilad.co.uk/html%20files/cards.html
March 14th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Just wanted to say I love this blog. Thanks for telling the truth about AIPAC and their ilk, and defending the right (and responsibility) of Jews to critique Israel’s human rights violations.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
to Another Jew
They are not “telling the truth about AIPAC”, they are presenting information highly selectively in order to try to make you share their opinion of “AIPAC”.
Notice that this blog piece is not about “muzzling” at all. It’s a hate shot at a group that Cecelie does not like.
No doubt that you LOVE it, but it belongs on another blog.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
I think that there’s a general lack of understanding among Jews regarding Evangelical support for Israel. Much is said about how our endtime scenario speaks of the attack against Jews, Israel. BUT nothing is ever said about the fact that we also speak of the coming slaughter of Christians for their faith.
From what I know, there is a quote by a Jewish rabbi re: the days leading to the Messiah’s coming (to us, His return), namely:’the coming of the Messiah shall be glorious indeed. May I never live to see it.’ This is a ref to the trouble that will befall Jacob prior to the Messianic Age. We acknowledge this, but also note that Christians will be persecuted too.
This is not anti-semitism. Anti-semitism would be teaching that Jesus will return to slaughter Jews- that’s Islam, not the Bible. We teach that Jesus will return to deliver Israel from her enemies and execute judgment upon them who rage & war against her.
We say: Israel look up, for the day of your redemption draws nigh. Jesus is mighty to save.
Nonetheless, we note (and I note) much Jewish hatred for Evangelical support, plus the enduring ridicule. Matters little, for soon our voices will be silenced anyway, and then only those who seek the destruction of Israel will speak in the name of ‘Christianity’.