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5 Responses to “Hypocrites and scoundrels: Israpundit goes after Moveon.org”

1. Bill Levinson Says:
   November 10th, 2006 at 1:06 pm

   Re: “The United States has steel-and-concrete cages to hold individuals who choose to behave like apes and baboons by uttering terroristic threats like the one above.”

   I did indeed say this and I do not retract or apologize for a single word.

   BEHAVIOR is not a race and it is not racist to condemn or deride individuals for choosing to behave like apes and baboons by, for example, threatening and harassing Jewish columnists like Debbie Schlussel.

   “Grunting apelike screeches such as might be emitted by enraged baboons or chimpanzees…” refers to the behavioral choices of an Arab American Political Action Committee officer who left the following commentary on someone’s Web site (”#*@&#!” replaces the language that this individual actually used):

   “Listen you #*@&#! DUMB TERRORIST #*@&#!! #*@&#! U AND UR FAMILY AND I HOPE UR GRANDPARENTS BURN IN THE #*@&#! GRAVE THEIR IN FROM THEIR ‘HOLOCAUST’ EXPEIRENCE! YOU’RE THE #*@&#! TERRORIST YOU DUMB IGNORANT #*@&#!! IF I EVER CATCH YOU IN THE STREET I’M GONNA BEAT THE #*@&#! OUT OF YOU, YOU OLD PLASTIC DUMB DIRTY IGNORANT FAT #*@&#!! YOUR TITS ARE SAGGING, YOU SHOULD TRY HAVING SURGERY ON THAT!”

   and also to ““…they screamed that they would kill us all, and other terrible things. They surrounded the praying students, and the elderly women who are our elder college participants, who survived the Shoah, who helped shape the Bay Area peace movement, only to watch as a threatening crowd shoved the Hillel students against the wall of the plaza.” –Laurie Zoloth, Director, Jewish Studies Program at San Francisco State University, FrontPageMagazine.com, May 13, 2002. (Describing the behavior of Palestinian “demonstrators” at a university in the United States, where the presence of police doubtlessly prevented them from giving full reign to their natural behavior.) http://www.frontpagemag.com/guestcolumnists2002/zoloth05-13-02.htm”

   So not only do I not apologize for the phrase, “Grunting apelike screeches such as might be emitted by enraged baboons or chimpanzees…” when applied to BEHAVIORAL CHOICES like the two described above, I repeat and reiterate it. I will also add that the individuals who engaged in this behavior, like threatening Hillel students and Holocaust survivors, are not worthy of the respect that a lady or gentleman of breeding accords a pet or a domestic animal.

   You will also notice that I make a very clear distinction between “Muslim” militants (a behavioral choice) and all Muslims (a religion).

   Now, of course, if Muzzlewatch equates criticism of behavioral choices to racism, perhaps Muzzlewatch itself thinks those less-than-human behavioral choices are characteristic of a specific racial or ethnic group– which of course makes Muzzlewatch a racist organization.

2. Bill Levinson Says:
   November 10th, 2006 at 2:21 pm

   P.S. Your call-out is noted and your challenge is accepted. You should have first read all those legends about mythical entities whose names are best not mentioned, lest they turn their attention to you. The Million Mom March got my attention in 2000, and MoveOn.org got it this August. The MMM no longer exists and I doubt that MoveOn.org will ever be bringing its disgraced Action Forum back online. All done, by the way, through the peaceful exercise of my own First Amendment rights and that “open debate” you say you want so much.

   It’s nice to know that apologists for Palestinian terrorism like JVP are in the same camp as MoveOn.org and I can now use that against both of you.

3. Jan Mel Poller Says:
   November 10th, 2006 at 2:29 pm

   What a coincidence! MoveOn members write things like “Jew Lieberman” and we respond! When I brought this to public attention, I responded to the remarks, not because it was election time. I brought this tot he attention of MoveOn.Org on April 1, 2004 and they did nothing except censure me. You want to support an organization that tolerated anti-Semitism? it is your right. But people who belong to your organization have a right to know the truth. Eli Pariser’s letter to the ADL was absolutely not true.

   I am the person who brought the anti-Semitism of MoveOn.Org’s forum to the attention of numerous people including bloggers and editorialists. Here are the facts:

   • I have been following MoveOn.Org since they came to my attention during the first anti-Iraq invasion demonstrations when they teamed up with Stalinist Ramsey Clark and International Answer.

   • From the beginning, MoveOn.org had anti-Semitic posts. The posts were not anonymous. The same people were posting this anti-Semitism from the time I got on until they shut down the forum. They had names and they had to be approved with a valid e-mail address by MoveOn.Org personnel.

   • Initially, I was approved. I would dispute the anti-Semitic and anti-Israel posts. Because of this, my messages were frequently deleted. I was barred from posting on the forum. Two or three more times I created a different user ID and each time I disputed the anti-Semitic remarks and each time I was kicked off and my posts were deleted.

   • The people who posted these anti-Semitic remarks were not censored.

   • All of the above shows that the forum was monitored (which they said they did, supposedly to get ideas for MoveOn.Org). For MoveOn.Org (and Eli Pariser in particular) to say that it wasn’t monitored is just a lie.

   • There are about 25,000 postings a year or about 500 a week. MoveOn.Org limits forum members to 3 posts per day. 75-100 posts a day are not hard to monitor.

   • I wrote a letter on April 1, 2004 to MoveOn.Org pointing out that they let anti-Semitic remarks stand but they deleted mine and the blocked me from posting. They never answered.

   • Eli Pariser can call the postings “abhorrent” or anything he wants. It doesn’t matter. Actions matter.

   • All the other MoveOn forum members who protested the anti-Semitism (and there were precious few) were punished the same way I was.

   • If you look at the voting on the anti-Semitic posts, it was overwhelmingly in support of the anti-Semitism.

   Again, MoveOn IS NOT an open forum as shown above.

   Jewish voters can take discomfort in the knowledge that MoveOn.Org and its Jewish leaders (Eli Pariser, Noah T. Winer and George Soros) IS a haven for anti-Semitism and had no problem joining up with International Answer.

   This has absolutely nothing to do with Republican or Democrat. I was a lifelong Democrat and became an Independent because of the philosophy of MoveOn.Org and other “progressive” organizations.

   Jan Mel Poller
   I have been accused of smearing MoveOn.Org, which implies that what I have been reporting is a lie.

   I pointed out that MoveOn.Org monitors the forum while my detractors claim that it is an unmonitored forum. Eli Pariser, in his communications, claims that it is an unmonitored forum.

   Forum rules can be found at http://www.actionforum.com/general/faq.html .

   The MoveOn.Org rules confirm that Eli Pariser lied to you. The fact that MoveOn openly lies to you about things that are documented in MoveOn.Org’s own words should make you question the other things that MoveOn.Org preaches.

   Just in case MoveOn.Org removes or changes their rules, I have copied them to my own computer. They can’t disappear.

   I want to remind readers that comments challenging anti-Semitic comments were removed and I was locked out of the forum.

   Here are excerpts:

   Note: You can’t be anonymous, you must register

   What are the rules? Everyone is welcome to comment, and rate the comments of others. While you can change your ratings at anytime, you can only rate a comment once. You must abide by the terms of use.

   To participate you must give your real name, occupation, and place of residence. This information will be shown after your comment as your “signature”. You must have a valid email address to register and participate. Your email address will be kept confidential.

   Note: MoveOn Monitors the Forum

   How does MoveOn use ActionForum? MoveOn monitors the forum for input several times a day and uses the information to help set their agenda. Comments that are of immediate relevance are forwarded to the appropriate team member usually within hours. Comments of a more long term nature are compiled weekly in two summaries and passed to the team. Occasionally topic specific summaries are compiled covering a period of a month or more.

   How can I make sure someone at MoveOn reads my post ? All comments are read at least twice. While there is no single criteria, comments that suggest a possible MoveOn action and are not duplicative are likely to be immediately passed on, or included in a summary to the whole MoveOn team. Ratings, while important, are not definitive and some comments with few or low ratings are included in the summaries. Important issues are sometimes followed up with a survey to a sampling of the membership compiled covering a period of a month or more.

4. Jan Mel Poller Says:
   November 10th, 2006 at 2:40 pm

   Bill Levinson’s remarks can be interpreted any way that you want. He could even be the worst Muslim-hating bigot in the world. That does not change, not one iota, what happened at MoveOn.Org and their forum.

   Perhaps you can explain why you are protecting MoveOn.Org from the anti-Semtic tolerance that we have clearly documented.

5. Jim Says:
   January 21st, 2007 at 1:58 am

   Wow, this really brings the cockroaches out of the woodwork, doesn’t it?

   I don’t think that the Levinson, Poller, Taylor et al. are worth that much time, myself.

   But if you are curious, and just HAVE to wallow in this some more, a fairly good response to Levinson’s BS can be found here:

   http://pithingcontest.blogspot.com/2006/10/bomb-nation-not-becoming-enemy.html

   The blogger there, in response to a Levinson post (of October 16), posed a series of questions to Levinson (also on October 16) that he found difficult to answer. So he didn’t. At least, not as of January 20, 2007.

   Cheers.